Makes about 170 power factor. Note: a good L-SWC is about the MOST accurate bullet you will find. The 3/4-jacket covers nearly the entire shank, leaving the nose exposed. In my experience, accuracy is about the same. The last 1500 or so rounds I've used have been coated 200g RN FB from Ibejiheads and they've been flawless. Both loads had Uniquie powder. It’s typically favored in .38 snub-nose style revolvers. A semi-wadcutter has a flat nose and a shelf that makes it not a wadcutter. Lead Semi-Wadcutter Hollow Point. The wound channel might be .357, but the edges will close over. Gman  i had the same issues with one of my Baers , but just recently switched to 185 zero bullets  in the cast swc  the 185 jacketed hollow points and 185 SWCHP some far no issues. LRN = Lead Round Nose = Blei-Rundkopfgeschoss, ohne Mantel LSWC = Lead Semi Wadcutter = Bleigeschoss, ohne Mantel in Semi Wadcutter-Form (s. SWC) LWC = Lead Wadcutter = Bleizylinder, meist mit … If God had intended autopistols to be double action, or plastic, He would have had John Moses Browning design it that way in the first place. With lead SWC, I sometimes felt that the feeding was a little rough, when racking the slide. Share Followers 0. I don't buy LRN any longer (still have some) and all i use is LSWC. The round nose design is the oldest design. Even though the wadcutter doesn’t actually expand, it tends to penetrate soft tissue very reliably. Some autoloaders may benefit from this design. The true Keith style is a SWC with a flat base, large square bottom lube grooves and a large crimp groove. T. Keith-Style SWC with one crimping groove and one filled lubrication groove. The only problem with this wadcutter vs round nose is most wadcutter loads are light on powder charge. easier to make PF? Flat nosed bullets are surprisingly good penetrators, and they tend to make a bigger hole as well. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The flat shape of the nose is the primary feature of the wadcutter.   Pasted as rich text. Swc and clays hard to beat. Corbin, of .452 Bullets. Meanwhile, it is well know in 45acp that the H&G #68 200 grain (and similar cast lead bullets in 185 grain) also win championships. Round Nose vs Semi Wadcutter -- accuracy. Before there was Polymer there was Accuracy. I try to stay away from the mess I used to get with a variety of bare lead bullets. You can reload and shoot both very well. First off, is there a difference in accuracy, feed reliability, or anything else in shooting a round nose verses a Semi wad (both of these in lead like betterbullets.com) Also, is there any real difference in shooting lead versus shooting plated FMJ? 38 CAL Hard Cast Lead Reloading Bullets. However, if I could get a much better pricing deal on LRN, I wouldn't hesitate to grab them of LSWC. I use a Bear Creek 200gr RNHB over 5gr of Titegroup. I bought 4K of Montana Gold 6 years ago, but I was not real impressed.. Rainer and Delta 230gr HP gave the very best accuracy, but is cost prohibitive for me even for major matches.. OAL 1.250/1.252 crimp is at.469 all the time.. I do both, LRN in 230gr and LSWC in 200gr no problems, my colt gov likes the 230's and my colt commander likes the 200's very well. They all were very accurate as opposed to what I had shot before which were hollow … With the .45 Colt for … My Detonics still managed to chamber them OK. Blue Bullets or Gallant, 1.250" CCI primer and 3.9 grains of Clays makes 172 power factor in my 5" springfield 1911. Bullet shape: Round nose vs semi wad cutter. Upload or insert images from URL. Wadcutters can clearly cut the line of a higher scoring ring and in a sport where matches are won or lost by a single point, this matters. Refine by Bullet Style: Lead Wadcutter Magnum Tip Soft Point. Since there's no lube ring on these coated ones, they can be loaded to longer OALs - does anyone have a recommendation on OAL for best feeding/chambering? Yes, I know, for most reliable feeding I should just stay with RN or TC... And for that matter, how many grains of WST to stay comfortably in Major PF? Semi-Wadcutter (SWC) The semi-wadcutter is a variation on the wadcutter. Think about the 38special full wadcutter. Another installment of .32 H&R Mag VS .38 Special in snub nose revolvers and today I have the Federal Lead Semi-Wadcutter ammunition. Though full wadcutter bullets are often unreliable in semi-automatic pistols, semi-wadcutter bullets usually work much better. I'm interested in the "flat nose vs. My rifle doesn't do well well with round nose but semi wadcutter is nice and smooth especially in 357. Comes to .45acp and you have to deal with magazines and feeding issues. Which bullets/loads are you guys using to make major in your single stack guns? Are wadcutter bullets lethal like round nose bullets? Semi-wadcutters are a cross between traditional lead round nose and the full wadcutter. Even though the wadcutter doesn’t actually expand, it … I am just starting to reload for my XD9 and I have a question about the difference, if any, between using flat nose (semi-wadcutter) or round nose bullets. The round nose design is the oldest design. The long surface of these bullets kept them going straight (to simplify). Two inches, single action, 25 yards, with Critical Defense 110-grain FTX bullets. When used for a semi-wadcutter style, the full jacket makes only the heaviest weights. Wadcutters are so much fun to shoot in .38 Special, and the accuracy will make you look really good too! Refine by Product Family: DeepCurl Handgun Hunting I had issues with the 200swc feeding reliably, switched to the 230rn and haven't had any more issues. Refine by Bullet Style: Plastic Training Bullet Semi-Spitzer Soft Point. A semiwadcutter (SWC) or flat-nose is a type of all-purpose bullet commonly used in revolvers. The wider the better and this is a feature that the semi-wadcutter shares with the hollow point in … First off, is there a difference in accuracy, feed reliability, or anything else in shooting a round nose verses a Semi wad (both of these in lead like betterbullets.com) Also, is there any real difference in shooting lead versus shooting plated FMJ? They take many different forms depending on the manufacturer, but they basically look like a short cylinder with a smaller cylinder sitting on top, which can be angled inward. I had a 19-5 S & W and tried some reloaded wadcutters I had bought from master cast. This round is not in any category above, but is a very effective round for self-defense. Semi-wadcutters are a cross between traditional lead round nose and the full wadcutter. Thus, you have a huge, clean wound channel. Semi-Wadcutter Shapes Wadcutter Shapes Button Nose has a slight nose, Target Wadcutter has a depressed ring and is flat across. 1; 2; Next. Never had a malfunction with this load, feeds great, soft recoil, accurate and clean shooting. A wadcutter, on the other hand, because of the flat front and hard right angle, it does to soft tissue kind of what it does to paper — it punches a sharp hole that’s a lot more disruptive than a round nose. However as a couple other members pointed out I've switched over to the RNFP in 200gr. Round nose" argument... from a .45acp perspective... Vitamin G, Sep 22, 2005 #9. 200 vs 230 is the same thoughts as 125 vs147 in 9mm. If you want to call it a SWC or a WNFP is purely up to you, and if you have some particular meplat design that you want to use as your definition of one vs. the other, that's OK but without a universally accepted definition. Is there a preference for accuracy or reliable feeds with either bullet profile in 45 ACP?   Your previous content has been restored. or a hollowpoint which fails to expand. It looks like a flying 55 gallon drum. currently run BBI 230gr run for the past 12k with no issueswith great accuracy and on my last 8k of the old Tennessee Cartridge company lead bullets. Hawkeye: Joined: Sun Apr 10, 2005 7:01 am Posts: 8068 Location: Texas Kevin wrote: DGW1949. I assume you are talking Handguns. I fell in love with lswc's so long ago I don't even remember what a roundnose looks like. Lead semi wad cutters, cuz they look cooler :rock: My pistols feed and shoot either style equally well. Semi-Wadcutter (SWC) This type of bullet has a blunted tip. My rifle doesn't do well well with round nose but semi wadcutter is nice and smooth especially in 357. round nose vs semi wadcutter: preferences - why? Display as a link instead, × Every company has their own manufacturer that does things their own way, which results in a number of different name brands and ammo lines to choose from. On the other hand, SWC bullets can maintain high accuracy at ranges exceeding 100 yards. 148 gn. I have been using coated 200gr SWCs for awhile, but I think I want to try some 230gr RN bullets. The wad cutter or semi-wad cutter cut a cleaner hole which is easier to see and score. Joined: Jan 1, 2003 Messages: 16,364 Location: DFW Area. JohnKSa Moderator Staff Member. 200gr LSWC, 4.2 Clays (Australian) goes 844.2 in my Taurus PT-1911. Joined: Oct 28, 2007 Messages: 104. Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:31 pm . Refine by Bullet Style: Lead Semi-Wadcutter Hollow Point Lead Wadcutter. less to start.) 168.84 PF and a nice shooting load. If your gun will feed them, I think they're the better choice. The most basic full metal jacket bullet is lead coated in copper. That's what a local shop has had in stock. Free shipping over $20, new in box. JavaScript is disabled. Paul tests the effectiveness of semi wadcutter hollow points. 30,377 Posts #21 • Apr 11, 2014. Refine by Bullet Style: Lead Semi-Wadcutter Hollow Point Lead Wadcutter. I shoot and rotate out 3 Baers and none have reliably ran 185/200WC. In my experience LSWC has always been more accurate. I would say round nose can be a little more forgiving on feeding than LSWC. Luckily, the semi-wadcutter bullet provides almost all of the benefits of the wadcutter bullet without a number of the disadvantages (though I would still prefer a jacketed hollow point over a semit-wadcutter for most hunting or self-defense applications). If you're having trouble with the SWC's feeding, RN's should definitely help. The Federal Gold Medal 38 Special Wadcutter Match is a target load that is known for mild recoil, exceptional accuracy, and leaving perfect round circles in paper targets. A round nose with a flat point (RNFP) is intended for lever guns or other guns with a tubular magazine. Use the pencil analogy vs paper punch and you'll understand. In contrast, flat-front profile wadcutters tend to have … Both gun's have 7 1/2 inch barrels. . I don't have any problems with round nose or hollow point of any flavor. In practice, the bullet can be crimped over the leading band, or on the crimping groove, as desired. 1.250" seems to be the most popular length. Discussion in 'Handguns : Revolvers' started by Jamesmb, Aug 19, 2008. A forum community dedicated to all 1911 firearm owners and enthusiasts. Round nose bullets penetrate wonderfully. I have about 2k of Rainier 200WC and 1500 185 HP that I want to retry again along with 5K of 185WC lead left over from bullseye shooting and some various 10 to 12lb recoil springs.I do run at times 200rn Rainier jacketed and no issues. I tend to load LSWC because they seem to shoot a little tighter. Many people sense that I have nothing but disdain for the “Wadcutter” type magazine. I assume you are talking Handguns. I have one pistol that will not reliably feed LSWC's of any make and have to use round nose or lrnfp. A wadcutter is a special-purpose flat-fronted bullet ... although this is not always the case as some wadcutters may have rounded bullet nose profiles. I suspect the reason is a well defined bearing surface. The 41 magnum (semi … For the most part I prefer the midweight bullets in my handguns. If extremely well made, a premium bullet in any profile can be good. In general, semi-wadcutters having a partially rounded nose are more accurate than wadcutters having a flat-front profile. For decades the .45 ACP performed admirably with nothing more than a FMJ—a round that does not expand at all and is certainly inferior to a good semi-wadcutter. Are they feeding more consistently than SWCs? Photo by D.R. They take many different forms depending on the manufacturer, but they basically look like a short cylinder with a smaller cylinder sitting on top, which can be angled inward. You can post now and register later. A semi wadcutter has a stepped shoulder for cutting nice clean holes in paper. Round Nose vs Semi Wadcutter -- accuracy Reloading Bench. The 1911 Magazine Design: The Wadcutter Magazine. Clays and 231 have both worked well for me. Bullseye shooters also use semi-wadcutters in semi-automatic pistols. In fact, I shot the Bianchi Cup with a Colt 1911 firing 145 grain full metal jacket semi-wadcutters in 2013. 38 Special Factory 158gr Lead Semi-Wadcutter or Lead Round Nose For Distinguished Revolver. Four .38 Specials pose for comparison; (l.-r.) jacketed hollow point, lead round nose, lead semi-wadcutter and full wadcutter. It was earth-shattering in 1898, when invented, but even before WWII we knew better. Only if you see more than one load, is it less than maximum. Jump to Latest Follow 1 - 20 of 35 Posts. As far as my safety concern, I dug out the owners manual and here is what it states "Warning, some pointed and full metal jacketed round nose bullets can chain fire other cartridges in a tubular magazine during recoil causing damage to the firearm and potentially serious injury or death. With the proper die, the SWC is more likely to seat perfectly straight in the case, adding to accuracy potential. The wadcutter magazine is an excellent design…for what it was designed for. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Paste as plain text instead, × Tiro Fijo said:.38 SWC and Keith SWC are NOT the same. Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > Jamesmb Member.   You cannot paste images directly. Brownells is your source for Lead Semi-Wadcutter (LSWC) Round Nose Spire Point (RNSP) at Brownells parts and accessories. 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